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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:23:34 PM

Gothard does have "training programs" but they aren't accredited so they are worthless "degrees".


They aren't intended to be degrees.

They're an apprenticeship program. You can further it with a degree, if you choose, but lots of folks chose to get the training and then get a foot in the door in their chosen field and work their way up.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:26:51 PM

They're an apprenticeship program. You can further it with a degree, if you choose, but lots of folks chose to get the training and then get a foot in the door in their chosen field and work their way up.
Are they in accredited apprenticeship programs? Without accreditation they are worthless and won't be accepted as valid apprenticeships.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:33:07 PM
Very few "quiverfull" families have as many children as Michelle. Most people are just not that fertile.

I have been married for 23 years and have never used any form of BC, not even NFP and only have 7 children. This is about the norm in the "quiverfull" circles I am involved in.

Most people who practice "quiverfull" do not try to "have as many children as possible". They just do not use BC and leave the rest to happen as it will. There are some of course that do chart and try to conceive, but in my experience most neither prevent nor try.

As to why can't the courting couple hold hands. The kids have probably set their own standards. You shouldn't assume that every decision is forced upon them by their parents.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:34:36 PM
The older children are doing various college studies through College Plus.

The older girls have each done some of the following: have done oversees missions, written a book, been volunteer firefighters, pursued different levels of medical training to be doulas and midwives (including college classes) etc. I find the idea that any of these girls are oppressed laughable.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:36:53 PM
I couldn't begin to tell you. I wasn't interested 20 years ago, so I didn't investigate beyond looking into the scope of what programs were offered.

What I do know is that "official" accreditation for an apprenticeship doesn't always means much to these folks. They want to learn the skill, however that happens, and then they go prove themselves.

Just as a degree doesn't guarantee an intelligent employee, an "official" or unofficial apprenticeship doesn't guarantee anything. It's the skill behind it that seems to matter most.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:39:54 PM

LTO no need to be snarky. I think parents need to raise their own children. Period. Don't agree with me, fine. But no need to snark.


Scrappower, not sure why you took it personally. Nothing was directed at you or what you specifically said. I have no trouble quoting you if I take issue with you.


My snark was for the absolutely wretched things people have said about this family. I feel filthy just reading some of the things that were linked.





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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:44:21 PM
Their courtship is "whacky" and so many on here seem to despise their cultural/religious beliefs so much. Posters on here have stated that this mindset is harming their children so much. This is just one more example of how people demand tolerance, but only if it's within the current cultural norm or culturally accepted behaviors.

Let me ask all the naysayers this: do you HONESTLY think allowing, even encouraging, teens (and now pre-teens) to engage in risky behaviors is a better option? You all honestly believe it's LESS harmful for teens and young adults to engage in sexually promiscuous behaviors than to engage in the courtship behavior the Duggars engage in? I just don't get it! I would much rather see teens/young adults choose to be less promiscuous than more. I would much rather see my nieces and nephews be more conservative in their sexual behaviors.

It's so sad to me that people who choose to engage in more conservative behaviors are so ostracized.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:55:24 PM

Their courtship is "whacky" and so many on here seem to despise their cultural/religious beliefs so much. Posters on here have stated that this mindset is harming their children so much. This is just one more example of how people demand tolerance, but only if it's within the current cultural norm or culturally accepted behaviors.

Let me ask all the naysayers this: do you HONESTLY think allowing, even encouraging, teens (and now pre-teens) to engage in risky behaviors is a better option? You all honestly believe it's LESS harmful for teens and young adults to engage in sexually promiscuous behaviors than to engage in the courtship behavior the Duggars engage in? I just don't get it! I would much rather see teens/young adults choose to be less promiscuous than more. I would much rather see my nieces and nephews be more conservative in their sexual behaviors.

It's so sad to me that people who choose to engage in more conservative behaviors are so ostracized.


Exactly!

There are far, far, far worse things than older siblings being in charge of younger brothers and sisters in a loving home.

As to the rules of courtship, they aren't exactly something brand new. If you don't follow them, you don't follow them, but some people do and are very happy doing so. Why not let them be?






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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:01:02 PM
Sorry LTO I thought you were responding to me. As for the blogs linked, meh heck even we have one talking about us. Just goes with the territory of putting yourself out there.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:34:32 PM
The courtship aspect doesn't bother me so much as the fact that education component is not emphasized (I've working in career services - the apprenticeship training won't cut it if the program is not accredited), and that the girls there are forced to be sister-moms to their siblings and not enjoy their childhood. Those are my main concerns with the Duggar family.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:41:37 PM

You all honestly believe it's LESS harmful for teens and young adults to engage in sexually promiscuous behaviors than to engage in the courtship behavior the Duggars engage in? I just don't get it!


It's not an either/or. Presumably if ones children have been raised with a strong moral compass, their behavior in private will be the same as their behavior when chaperoned. Some private time and conversation would, however, give them a better opportunity to get to know their intended and make an informed decision about marriage.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:47:14 PM
I feel like responding to you is me picking a fight, Ravenmist, and that's not my intention, so take this for what it's worth.

I have three brothers, and dozens of friends who went through this program. All are gainfully employed in fields ranging from construction to travel agencies to banks to writing and graphic design to missions to grocery store management. I was licensed in insurance, and I worked my way up from a clerical position to one partner at a 3-person seed agency. You can say that apprenticeships "don't cut it", but they do, even though they're not defined in the sense that you feel they should be. I can say they absolutely *do* work, they even pay well, and they're talented in their fields. Non-traditional, non-college education is not an automatic dead-end in life.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:06:32 PM
I like the family and enjoy watching but the mini golf was kind of weird with the parents.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:20:09 PM
I don't agree with all their choices, but as presented on T.V., they seem to be loving and have their stuff together. I agree that they are just one part of the great milieu of this country and I do find them interesting even if I disagree with some of their beliefs.

Now, what I think bothers me and many others is what might be happening off the screen. Do the children have freewill? Are they threatened with banishment if they do not adhere to their parent's beliefs? Do they have a true voice to contradict, debate and decide their own futures?

I don't know and I likely will never know, so I try not to sit in judgement.



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Posted: 4/9/2014 3:21:01 PM
My opinion is that I think it is interesting that so many people feel that the Duggars are weird and that they do such crazy things. I agree with these people, kind of.

I do think that the Duggars are weird when they are parents that have been married for 30 years and that are still madly in love with each other when societal norm is divorce.

I do think they are weird that they have MANY children that they love and actually take care of financially, emotionally and spiritually themselves when there are so many children that are in foster care, in unhappy families etc in the world because parents can't/aren't able to take care of them.

I do think they are weird that they teach their children responsibility for themselves, others and things. I do think they are weird that they make their kids work and work hard and don't just let them sit around playing electronics and watching TV all the time.

I do think they are weird that both parents have open conversations with their children about sexual feelings and desires. I do think they are weird that they have set boundaries WITH their children about relationships. That they want to protect their children from sharing a part of themselves that is so special until marriage.

Are some of their ideas and rules extreme? Sure. But I WISH my parents had been a little more "strict" with me. I wish my parents had listened in on more of my conversations with my boyfriends (we didn't have cell phones back in my old-age (33years) day..hehe) I wish my parents had sat down with the boys I was dating and discussed their expectations with those boys.

I am a nurse on Maternity and it breaks my heart how frequently I have to work with 15/16 (sometimes even 14) year old babies that are having their own babies. I would say that 95% of the time the girls I have worked with are terrified and wish they had waited to have a baby. 99% of the time the girls come from homes that are lacking direction, responsibility, support and frequently parental guidance and love. It is a VERY sad mostly because the vicious cycle will probably not be broken for these sweet girls and their children.

I wish our world was a little more Duggar-style because I really do believe that we would be a LOT better off.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:38:04 PM

How terrible it is for children to be respected by their siblings, to learn skills that will help them throughout their lives, and to learn to be leaders in a safe and loving environment.

Those horrible parents. They should be ashamed of themselves!

Children need to be left to their own devices, accountable to no one with no way to recognize their increasing maturity.

Why, when these kids grow up to be responsible adults, fully confident and capable of taking care of a house, a family and a business, they'll have no one but their parents to blame!

I agree. just what is this world coming to now... it's just horrible!
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:10:03 PM
I've found the Duggar family very interesting. I have never been around anyone that has done courtship instead of dating. It seems like a startling idea at first, but I would be very interested to know how many of those marriages last. Maybe we would be surprised.

I've heard that the Duggar family is extremely engaging, service-oriented and live their lives in a very positive manner. I was interested in what the production crew thought of them. The family seem to be friends with the crew. Here's an article about what the crew thinks of the family.



Duggar Production Crew answers questions

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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:15:44 PM
Looks like Jill is engaged:

http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-engaged-19-kids-and-counting-romantic-proposal-derick-dillard-201494?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:48:39 PM
I'm not sure if the Duggar's subscribe to this but a lot of the people involved with Gothard and also the Vision Forum, strongly believe in SAHD's. Not stay at home dads, but stay at home daughters. They don't go to college, get jobs etc, they stay at home and serve the family (specifically dad) until they get married.

If you think the Duggar's are strict and strange, check out the Maxwell's. They make the Duggar's look like wild party animals.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:19:44 PM

So if they are truly all happy and successful, then I am glad for them. Isn't that what we all want in our lives?


Ya know, I don't agree with all their dating rules, etc... but really who am I to judge them? They don't depend on government to help them, they do it all on their own. One son out of the house, with a job, and successful in what he is doing. Why put it down?

I immediately turned on that Christy show.. the overbearing dad and his family... he is appalling on the other end of the spectrum.. but apparently it's okay for him to do it his way because it is more acceptable to the masses out there???

Or what about The Little Couple? Are they right or wrong in how they live their lives?

We all (well most of us) do the best we can.. whatever road you take.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:23:10 PM

Not stay at home dads, but stay at home daughters. They don't go to college, get jobs etc, they stay at home and serve the family (specifically dad) until they get married.


Um, no.

No, they don't.

They DO believe in teaching homemaking skills. Hospitality skills.

But "serving the fathers"?

Not once in all the years we were involved was that ever taught.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:32:46 PM

Let me ask all the naysayers this: do you HONESTLY think allowing, even encouraging, teens (and now pre-teens) to engage in risky behaviors is a better option? You all honestly believe it's LESS harmful for teens and young adults to engage in sexually promiscuous behaviors than to engage in the courtship behavior the Duggars engage in? I just don't get it! I would much rather see teens/young adults choose to be less promiscuous than more. I would much rather see my nieces and nephews be more conservative in their sexual behaviors.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:43:50 PM
I'm not proposing that promiscuity is better than chastity but I do think its incredibly damaging for those girls to grow up believing their self worth is wrapped up in their virginity and is presented to some guy (who they've only side hugged) on their wedding date.


As a parent you should be presenting your child with choices and the tools to make the decisions that are right for them. I don't think the Duggars do a very good job of that.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:45:00 PM

Let me ask all the naysayers this: do you HONESTLY think allowing, even encouraging, teens (and now pre-teens) to engage in risky behaviors is a better option? You all honestly believe it's LESS harmful for teens and young adults to engage in sexually promiscuous behaviors than to engage in the courtship behavior the Duggars engage in? I just don't get it! I would much rather see teens/young adults choose to be less promiscuous than more. I would much rather see my nieces and nephews be more conservative in their sexual behaviors.


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Agreed!!




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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:46:42 PM
I would love to be a fly on the wall in this household when the cameras are off. We see what the show wants us to see.

My guess is the family is pretty normal with emotions, like anger with each other and such, when cameras are turned off. They are human.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:53:36 PM

I'm not proposing that promiscuity is better than chastity but I do think its incredibly damaging for those girls to grow up believing their self worth is wrapped up in their virginity and is presented to some guy (who they've only side hugged) on their wedding date.


No, it's not that their self worth is wrapped up in their virginity, it's that promiscuity is damaging, emotionally and sometimes physically and most certainly spiritually.

In the Bible, we are the Bride of Christ, pure and holy. "Be holy, for I am holy" is the command. Therefore, abstaining from sexual conduct, and abstaining from any temptation toward such, is important.

But self-worth is found in the eyes of Christ, and it is not dependent on our purity, thank God.



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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:14:37 PM


No, it's not that their self worth is wrapped up in their virginity, it's that promiscuity is damaging, emotionally and sometimes physically and most certainly spiritually.

In the Bible, we are the Bride of Christ, pure and holy. "Be holy, for I am holy" is the command. Therefore, abstaining from sexual conduct, and abstaining from any temptation toward such, is important.

But self-worth is found in the eyes of Christ, and it is not dependent on our purity, thank God.


I don't believe that and maybe one of the Duggar children would feel the same if they could leave their bubble.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:15:29 PM
Other than the fact that, as a Catholic, I don't agree with them theologically, I have a great deal of respect for the Duggars and I do think that a lot of people could learn a lot from them.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:18:00 PM

Another thing about them that does royally chap my hide is their reason for doing the show in the first place.

I completely understand their reason for choosing to not watch tv. They feel it's full of bad things (and it can be) and that it's a temptation (and I agree, it can be).

But if they feel television, as a whole, is so bad, why is it ok for them to make a financial gain from it?


I agree with this and can't watch them because I believe they are hypocrites.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:20:57 PM

I don't believe that and maybe one of the Duggar children would feel the same if they could leave their bubble.


You are welcome to believe whatever you like.

All I'm doing is correcting the assumption that they are taught that their self-worth is wrapped up in their virginity. That is not what Gothard teaches. I'm also pretty sure I've never heard them offer that opinion on the show.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:21:17 PM
I remember watching that Michelle came "damaged" to Jim Bob. Whatever the hell that means. So I think they can shelter their children from tv while making a profit from exposing them to cameras because whats good for the goose aint so good for the gander.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:25:00 PM
I can't make sense of your last sentence, but as for "damaged", again, it's because they believe that sexual impurity has spiritual and emotional and sometimes physical consequences. That's what "damaged" means. It doesn't make her less of a person, and I don't think her behavior on the show reflects that she views herself as "damaged".

I do think she feels it's a lesson that she can try to prevent her kids from making. She's a protective mom. We all learn hard lessons and try to keep our kids from suffering those same things, don't we?


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:30:59 PM

Not stay at home dads, but stay at home daughters. They don't go to college, get jobs etc, they stay at home and serve the family (specifically dad) until they get married.


Um, no.

No, they don't.

They DO believe in teaching homemaking skills. Hospitality skills.

But "serving the fathers"?

Not once in all the years we were involved was that ever taught.



Maybe you didn't learn it but there are people out there in the quiverful/patriarchy movement who DO believe it.



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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:34:53 PM
The quiverfull movement (whoever the guy was, his empire also fell in the last few years, but I can't remember his name) and Bill Gothard are two separate entities, unrelated except that Bill liked the teachings of the quiverfull movement.

He quoted that verse a lot, but that serve-the-fathers philosophy was not taught at Gothard institutes, I can tell you that much. I was at their seminars and some of their training institutions for about 15 straight years.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:42:11 PM

I feel like responding to you is me picking a fight, Ravenmist, and that's not my intention, so take this for what it's worth.


I don't feel that way at all, Ms.Green. Don't worry about it - we're having a discussion and coming from different perspectives. That's all.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:49:24 PM

Now, what I think bothers me and many others is what might be happening off the screen. Do the children have freewill? Are they threatened with banishment if they do not adhere to their parent's beliefs? Do they have a true voice to contradict, debate and decide their own futures?

It's very similar to Mormonism, they have missions, chastity, close knit family, but if someone were to step out of the religion it just upsets their whole life leaving their family behind in it. I've seen many posts about this on the board. I'm sure all the Duggars are happy and it doesn't even occur to them to leave their lifestyle.

One of the daughters from that TV show Sister Wives said that because she hangs out with kids that like to party she doesn't want to share her husband. Then said that her other sister (meri's daughter) who only hangs out with Mormons wants to be a pologamist. Mariah goes to 6am lds classes. One of his sons said he didn't have a testimony for the religion. I think the Duggars have kept their children in the quiverish lifestyle because they homeschooled them.

My issue with the Duggars is it seems like Michelle just wanted some accolades for having so many kids. I can't imagine having a relationship with each of 19 kids!

I do think that it's true in strict religions that the individual doesn't have a lot of outside forces drawing them in different directions, no distrust of their spouse because they've had no failed relationship experiences, and are so wrapped up in the lifestyle/religion they don't have much time to think about themselves, putting themselves first which is what leads to problems in most relationships.




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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:56:26 PM
There are no missions unless you ask to be involved. It's not ever been a "requirement", it's just something to get involved in if you want to. I had lots of friends that did, and lots that didn't. But there is no "schedule" of what has to be done when, or at all. With all due respect, it's not at all like Mormonism, and it would likely be considered an insult if you said that to them.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:58:05 PM

My issue with the Duggars is it seems like Michelle just wanted some accolades for having so many kids.


My sister has about a third of that number, and she acts the same way.

It.Drives.Me.Insane.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 8:06:59 PM
while they certainly make decisions I wouldn't make, I think they are making GOOD decisions. It only takes a quick look around our culture (Miley, Kardashians, Honey Boo Boo) to realize there's a LOT going wrong in how people are raising their kids these days. Ok, so NONE Of you are a Honey Boo Boo Mom. But *some* of your kids have been pregnant as teens, in car accidents due to recklessness, use/abuse drugs, run away from home, date very controlling men, drop out of school, or in some way make awful choices that have come with hard consequences to both you and themselves. (or like me, you *were* that kid!)

I don't see what is so wrong with raising your kids in a faith that teaches a stronger moral compass. They are doing what they can to protect their children from many troubles in our culture. I don't think that's so awful. So far, every one of their kids seems kind, motivated, and well balanced. I don't see anything to complain about there.

I do agree that in some of the quiverful movement there is oppression and patriarchal... garbage. But I don't think the Duggars fall into that category.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 8:59:19 PM
My brother is 14 years younger than me and I've always enjoyed helping him, taking care of him, even now even though he is grown. He will always be my baby!

As for their courtship, I'm sure they can make their own decisions. I was raised in a Christian church where you could pretty much do whatever you wanted during the week, as long as you attended Sundays and took communion. I personally wanted to be pure for my husband and never regretted it. ..


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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:25:50 PM

But *some* of your kids have been pregnant as teens, in car accidents due to recklessness, use/abuse drugs, run away from home, date very controlling men, drop out of school, or in some way make awful choices that have come with hard consequences to both you and themselves. (or like me, you *were* that kid!)

I don't see what is so wrong with raising your kids in a faith that teaches a stronger moral compass.


You do realize that those kids exist in households of "faith[s] that teach[] a stronger moral compass" as well, right?

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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:34:42 PM

But if they feel television, as a whole, is so bad, why is it ok for them to make a financial gain from it?


They actually do watch a very limited amount of tv, the do not eschew it entirely.

I don't think they take the position that all tv is bad. So what is wrong with trying to make some positive tv programming. That is not hypocritical.

If you thought there were too many corrupt politicians, would that mean you couldn't run for office? Or maybe you could be a positive voice in the political world.

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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:35:14 PM
These kids can't think for themselves even at the ages of 20 & 24. Mommy & daddy have to accompany them on dates. That's flat out freaking strange & to have Jim Bob dry hump his wife at mini golf in front of his daughter is disgusting & embarrassing & gross. He is showing his daughter that is what she has to look forward too. WtH???

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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:52:00 PM

You do realize that those kids exist in households of "faith[s] that teach[] a stronger moral compass" as well, right?


I think the number of posts that either denigrate their parenting choices or at the very least, say "Well, *I* wouldn't do what they do, but..." indicate that these are two vastly different versions of "household of faith with strong moral compass" here.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 9:59:28 PM

I think the number of posts that either denigrate their parenting choices or at the very least, say "Well, *I* wouldn't do what they do, but..." indicate that these are two vastly different versions of "household of faith with strong moral compass" here.


I really do not know what you are saying. Are you saying that they are more faithful and have a stronger moral compass than other families who are faithful and have a strong moral compass? That it is not true that fundamentalist families experience the kinds of problems non-fundamentalist families experience?

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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:02:52 PM
No, I'm saying what she refers to as a family of faith with a strong moral compass is very different, by definition, than what you refer to. Not right or wrong, but very different. As evidenced by the number of people who say they would never raise their kids that way.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:07:50 PM
Believe me, I get what you're saying. This program is not a catch-all that only turns out perfect children. My brother is and has always been a rebel. This didn't "save" him.

But I don't think she was inferring that at all.


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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:09:34 PM
I am still not getting your point. Perhaps I am missing something. How are you defining people of faith with a strong moral compass for the purpose of this thread? People who have similar values to the Duggars? People whose children do not develop drug problems?

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Posted: 4/9/2014 10:18:06 PM
I'm sorry, it's late and besides being sleep deprived, my brain is very scatter brained.

All I was saying was that I sensed you took offense to the comment in question as you felt it inferred that this route was superior because it turned out kids who didn't get into trouble because they were "of faith with a strong moral compass".

I was just saying that that I didn't think she intended that description to denigrate anyone who may have similar faith and yet had kids with issues; I just think it's intended to differentiate what a difference there is in their approach to parenting, a fact which is supported by the fact that so many here say "I would never raise my kids that way!"


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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:31:12 AM
I think some of their way of life is unusual, but they must be doing something right. The boundaries that the girls/parents have set is strange but I can kind of see the reason behind it. They say it's to focus on the person and not so much the physical side. On the other hand, I would think it would be easy to stick to those principles whether there is a chaperone or not.

As far as other TV shows, and the lack of controversy, like The Little Couple (which I watch and love the show), I just think that the way they live their lives much more so like the majority of us do. (Of course there are differences, but don't we all have different ways of living?

I used to think about what the appeal is for these shows but I think it's basically a way to see how others live. I would hope it would teach people to have more tolerance to different families and their lifestyle. There used to be much fear of the unknown when we come across a different person.

I hope what I wrote makes sense. Basically, I feel that the Duggars are doing something right. They do what works for them. I would never have as many kids, but it is not my place to judge. I don't necessarily agree with some of their views, but I respect them.



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