Cameo or Zing? MTC or Scal?

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Posted 10/16/2011 by playingwithpaper in General Scrappin'
 

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Posted: 10/16/2011 10:43:06 PM
I bought Make the Cut last year and right after heard about the lawsuit with Cricut. I had put mtc on my expression. Then the new E2 came out and I bought it and sold my old expression. Whoops, now can't use my mtc. Then recently heard about the Cameo and thought I would try to save up for that so I could use my mtc. I craft with a bunch of ladies that all use mtc and absolutely love it.

Now the rumor has it that you will not be able to use MTC with the Cameo and they have their own cuts store and sounds like they are
hooking up with SCAL. I wrote to them and asked specifically if I would
be able to use my MTC if I bought the Cameo. Well after 3 emails back and forth they just beat around the bush and never give you a clear answer of yes or no.

My friends are all going for the Zing because they love all the help they get and all the great sharing of cuts and the Mtc forum. But I felt that $300 is really pushing it money wise for the Cameo. The Zing is going to be $400 and that seems to be the straw that breaks the camels back money wise for me. yet I would like to use and share things with my friends.

I would like to hear your comments on both cutters and on both programs.
If you have either of these programs I would like to know how well you like your program or where it doesn't work for you

Can you only cut things from the Silhouette stores? Paying a $1 for every cut seems no better than buying Cricket Cartridges. I want to be able to download and cut others designs and other things off the internet.
Seems like the Zing is going to be able to cut anything from anywhere?
Sorry this is so long!
All your comments are greatly appreciated.

gale w
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Posted: 10/17/2011 2:44:45 AM
If you know you want to design and cut from MTC I would go with the Zing. There's a good chance the Cameo will not work with it and if you want to design in MTC and cut with the Cameo, you'd probably have to buy the upgraded silhouette software (another $60) or go through the trouble of converting files through tracing. Or use inkscape. It seems like way more work than it should be.

Plus the Zing will cut 14" wide and has more cutting pressure.

With the Zing/MTC partnership, Andy may not be creating or working on a plug-in for the Cameo. And if Silhouette does block 3rd party software (and they won't say one way or the other which is annoying enough) then they are about as bad as Provo Craft IMO. I buy plenty from Lettering Delights but the only files I've bought from Silhouette are the $10 free I had from buying the machine. It irks me that I can't use those files through MTC unless I do a screenshot and trace.

btw I also own SCAL but I prefer to use MTC.

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Posted: 10/17/2011 5:41:21 AM

And if Silhouette does block 3rd party software (and they won't say one way or the other which is annoying enough) then they are about as bad as Provo Craft IMO.

Seriously?? I hadn't heard anything about this. That totally explains their new Designer Edition software (which I just bought this weekend for under $40... not $60)!

Can you only cut things from the Silhouette stores? Paying a $1 for every cut seems no better than buying Cricket Cartridges. I want to be able to download and cut others designs and other things off the internet.

You don't have to buy shapes from the Silhouette store only. There are tons of sites for free files you can cut. But you should also consider a subscription to the Silhouette store if you are interested in the shapes. I have a premium subscription that I bought when they ran a sale a few months back. It costs me $15 a month for $150 worth of credits. Far better than any Cricut cartridge I have seen!

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Posted: 10/17/2011 6:07:22 AM
I really wish they would all play nice together. We just want to craft. I don't like the separation that is occurring based on machine/software choices. It really hinders our synergy.

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Posted: 10/18/2011 12:01:26 AM

You don't have to buy shapes from the Silhouette store only. There are tons of sites for free files you can cut. But you should also consider a subscription to the Silhouette store if you are interested in the shapes. I have a premium subscription that I bought when they ran a sale a few months back. It costs me $15 a month for $150 worth of credits. Far better than any Cricut cartridge I have seen!



DITTO THIS!! The only time you'd pay the actual price of the shape is if you don't have a subscription. A sub is seriously the best deal on the planet!! Most designers who sell their own charge 99 cents (at least), so it's not nearly the deal as a sub at the Silhouette store. Plus they are adding new designers all the time. NOw that they are growing, I'm betting more designers will jump on board and create for them. I'm never at a loss at the Sil store for a shape.

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Posted: 10/19/2011 5:56:19 PM
Thanks for the input.
All confusing and mind boggling still. Since they both have postponed
getting them on the market, will just wait til they come out and see what happens with them.

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Posted: 10/20/2011 10:28:11 PM
gale w, I thought you could cut SVG files on the sil? Is it true you have to trace every SVG file? What about TTF? TIA

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Posted: 10/21/2011 8:01:04 AM

gale w, I thought you could cut SVG files on the sil? Is it true you have to trace every SVG file? What about TTF? TIA

If you have the new Designer Edition software, you can cut SVGs. Costs $50 to upgrade - but you can find coupons and deals on the internet to get it for less. I actually upgraded last weekend for about $38 - Fotobella has it on sale and I had a coupon for 15% off so I decided to do it. If you don't have SCAL or the Designer Edition software, I do believe that tracing SVGs is the only way you can cut them with your Silhouette. I suppose if you have a lot of them, paying the price to upgrade would be an option worth considering.

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Posted: 10/21/2011 3:07:35 PM
Thanks streetscrapper, I do have SCAL, but I thought that was the issue -- maybe it won't be compatible with the cameo. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding. Doesn't the cameo come with the latest software? Confused. Sorry.

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Posted: 10/21/2011 3:13:38 PM

What about TTF?
With the free version you can use any TTF fonts that are INSTALLED on your computer. You can't temporarily load them like you can with MTC. The Cameo does not come with the upgraded version of silhouette's software. You have to buy that.

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Posted: 10/21/2011 3:16:02 PM
OH also, you CAN convert svg to dxf using inkscape, but it's not always seamless. I've had a few not convert correctly. I was only trying out the conversions so I didn't actually *need* to convert them so I didn't care. But without MTC (or the new software) I would have to.

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Posted: 10/22/2011 10:55:10 PM
Thanks gale w

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Posted: 10/23/2011 11:17:28 AM
Personally, I think the difference in price for the Zing is probably worth it. It comes with MTC software, and because of the cutting pressure, you can cut heavier materials on it, such as chipboard.

I'm sure the Cameo is a good machine, just as the Silhouette has been, but their doing anything that might limit customers' choices really bothers me.

Silhouette makes money off sales of their designs online, just as Cricut does with sales of their cartridges. Of course they want their customers to buy images rather than just the machines. But that doesn't mean that customers' choices should be limited. It drives customers away in the long run.

By the way, Wishblade tried to limit customers as much as possible to using their designs, and customers were furious. Eventually Xyron gave up on the Wishblade, but the problem wasn't the machine. It was nearly identical to the Silhouette. (Same machine, slight differences in the software.) The problem was that what customers wanted was ignored. So the customers migrated to other cutters.

I loved my Wishblade, but eventually I got Gazelle, too, and it's an awesome machine with great software & support. But if I were in the market to buy an electronic cutter now, I'd probably buy the Zing, simply because it has so much more pressure. I've heard that the cost of the Zing will be about $400, making it less expensive than the Gazelle, too.

$400 is a lot of money, but I think the Zing will give you the most bang for your buck, and the Zing comes with MTC.

I have to admit, I am really, really tempted to get the Zing once it's available, but I honestly don't need another electronic cutter right now.

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Posted: 10/23/2011 12:30:20 PM
I have no idea why some people think that the Silhouette machines "limits" customers or is anything close to PC.

Using the free edition of the SIl software, I have created my own designs, imported Jpegs to print and cut, ding bats, line art, etc. I have never used Scal or MTC so I have no idea how much more intricate a design would need to be but using the free software, I can make designs with several layers very easily. In addition, I can choose to color the design and just print it or I can cut the different layers on different colored paper.

Dozens of digital scrap and stamp files can be opened and cut or opened, printed and cut. There are sharing boards on Yahoo, sharing blogs all over. I have imported designs from independent designers, digital images, line art and patterns I have downloaded from the internet.

My current favorite thing to do is download a colored pattern, open it in Silhouette, type a title using one of the hundreds of fonts I have and then "blend" the pattern inside the letters to have it perfectly match my LO. I can then print it and I have perfectly matched letters for my titles and then pop the paper into my Silhouette and cut the letters out perfectly.

I am not saying to get the Cameo over the other machine, I am just saying that I think some Peas may not fully understand the Silhouette machines or their free software. I will not tell you to get the Cameo over the other because I have absolutely no experience at all with the other machine.

You do not need third party software with the Silhouette machines. Yes, they now have the paid software which not many owners have as far as I can tell because you don't really need it.

I think this may be part of the confusion regarding the Silhouette machines. Some people are so used to PC and used to HAVING to have third party software to cut anything other than the designs on the cartridges. With Silhouette you do NOT need third party software and you can cut other designs. Any design you make yourself can be shared easily. No you cannot share the Silhouette store designs unless someone is actually using your machine but if you make a design yourself, it can be shared just like anything else.

It makes sense that Silhouette, PC and any other designer for that matter would not want their files shared for free but ones you make yourself are a different story and they can be shared within the Silhouette software.

Paying $.13 per design in the Silhouette store (I have an annual sub that I paid $13 a month for and I get $150 worth of downloads) is a whole lot different than paying $40 for a cartridge that may have 80 designs but how many will you actually use? I can purchase 80 designs in the Silhouette store for the equivalent of $10.40 of my credits and buy 80 files I will actually use.

Not trying to start a war or anything and again, I have NO experience with Scal, MTC or Zing so it may be that I am the one missing something but I have just found over and over that the Silhouette machines, their software and what they are able to do are sometimes misunderstood.

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Posted: 10/23/2011 1:07:16 PM

I'm sure the Cameo is a good machine, just as the Silhouette has been, but their doing anything that might limit customers' choices really bothers me


I have no idea why some people think that the Silhouette machines "limits" customers or is anything close to PC.

In regards to the limiting, the current free silhouette software will not cut svg's.
The new silhouette designer software will cut svg's but it is $50.
I think that is where part of the feeling 'limited' comes from.

Also, a lot of people do not realize that you are NOT limited to their store images.
Many people also may not realize that you can use dingbat fonts with both the Cameo and the Zing.

Just sayin'


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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:17:33 PM

In regards to the limiting, the current free silhouette software will not cut svg's.
The new silhouette designer software will cut svg's but it is $50.
I think that is where part of the feeling 'limited' comes from.

Also, a lot of people do not realize that you are NOT limited to their store images.
Many people also may not realize that you can use dingbat fonts with both the Cameo and the Zing.


Yes. And people can do their own design work without any outside software. I think the real question is, what percentage of customers are willing to spend the time?

I loved my Wishblade. I loved being able to create my own designs. I couldn't understand why people flocked to Cricut, since it was limited to cartridges. But when SCAL became available and allowed users to use their computer fonts and do their own design work, THAT I could understand. They could have the best of both worlds. Now that Cricut has eliminated the use of outside software, people are looking at other machines.

If the Cameo can't cut chipboard, it's limited. (Still waiting to hear on that one.) If it requires additional software to be able to use a file that numerous cutter owners are using, it's somewhat limited until you buy the software.

I'm sure the Cameo is an awesome machine, but it doesn't have the cutting pressure of the Zing. And the Zing comes with MTC, which more people seem to prefer over SCAL, but both are good programs. My opinion is based on what I've read here on this board, and not from personal experience, though.

However, I've been familiar with the electronic cutter market since 2005. Different people have different opinions based on what they want out of a cutter. And over the years, I've seen a lot of people basically give up on a cutter because they couldn't OR didn't want to spend the time learning to use it, especially to create their own files.
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