Do any of the Republicans feel Romney has moved to the center?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:16:22 PM
I was frankly surprised that Romney moved to the center during the debate. Are there any of you who think that Romney has moved to the center and thus you will vote third party or leave the President lever alone?

This from the New York Times

He used the first presidential debate to speak out forcefully to its wide television audience against the idea of cutting taxes for the wealthy, noting that "high-income people are doing just fine in this economy." Asked if there was too much government regulation, he answered, "Regulation is essential." And he praised the Massachusetts health care bill, calling it a "model for the nation."





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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:45:50 PM
Okay I say this with the caveat that I didn't watch the debate, here goes: I think Mitt Romney used to be closer to the center than he is now and was before the debate. That said, he hasn't moved far enough for me to switch my vote from third party back to republican. And that said, my vote doesn't matter as I live in Illinois and Illinois will go to Obama.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:55:24 PM

Okay I say this with the caveat that I didn't watch the debate, here goes: I think Mitt Romney used to be closer to the center than he is now and was before the debate. That said, he hasn't moved far enough for me to switch my vote from third party back to republican. And that said, my vote doesn't matter as I live in Illinois and Illinois will go to Obama.


You should watch the debate Maureen - I think you might be surprised.

I don't think Romney moved at all - if you've actually read his policy positions and heard him speak directly he's never been an extreme right politician. I think what he did at the debate was contrast his actual positions with the demonization that his been going on in the attack ads and word parsing over the last few months.

Take the $5 trillion tax cut for example - Obama and his PACs have been screaming about it for months - but all along on his website and in his speeches he's said he wants to lower RATES and work with congress to close loopholes to be REVENUE neutral. I noticed that despite that - yet again on my facebook I see Obama trying to say Romney is raising taxes on the middle class to pay for a $5 trillion tax cut for billionaires - it's frankly bullshit - he already earned 3 pinnoccios from the Washington Post and was called mostly untrue by Politifact - but Obama figures if he keeps saying it - people will believe him.






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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:56:10 PM

I think Romney has moved to the center a bit. I expect that to change as the wind blows, though.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:57:10 PM
center of what exactly?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:58:26 PM
I never thought Romney was a far right candidate. I think if he moved to center during the debate, he was just going back to where he was before he had to shift right to please the uber-conservative side of the party and get the nomination. I think the shift bodes well for bi-partisan cooperation, which we desperately need. And as for my vote? Well, a somewhat right of center Romney is a better choice, in my mind, than a far left Obama. I can't imagine even the most conservative Republican voting for Obama over Romney, or staying home (which would benefit Obama).

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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:06:36 PM

I never thought Romney was a far right candidate. I think if he moved to center during the debate, he was just going back to where he was before he had to shift right to please the uber-conservative side of the party and get the nomination. I think the shift bodes well for bi-partisan cooperation, which we desperately need.


Completely agree.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:09:16 PM

I never thought Romney was a far right candidate. I think if he moved to center during the debate, he was just going back to where he was before he had to shift right to please the uber-conservative side of the party and get the nomination. I think the shift bodes well for bi-partisan cooperation, which we desperately need. And as for my vote? Well, a somewhat right of center Romney is a better choice, in my mind, than a far left Obama. I can't imagine even the most conservative Republican voting for Obama over Romney, or staying home (which would benefit Obama).


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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:14:33 PM

You should watch the debate Maureen - I think you might be surprised.



Like I said, it doesn't matter my state will go Obama, this election is for me to voice my concern over the path of the republican party.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:19:00 PM
I've never thought of him as a far right Republican. Therefore, I don't feel he "moved" anywhere with the debate. I'm with Darcy. He just re-stated over and over what his real positions have always been, the ones that have been so mischaracterized by the Left.

I'm just glad that so many people saw it firsthand. I think even if he didn't gather any votes (which I doubt), at least he changed some minds.

It will be interesting if they debate on social issues.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:22:57 PM

Like I said, it doesn't matter my state will go Obama, this election is for me to voice my concern over the path of the republican party.


That's why I think you should watch the debate. I think you and I agree a lot on the wrongs of the Republican party. I saw in the debate quite a few of the rights.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:29:51 PM

he was just going back to where he was before he had to shift right to please the uber-conservative side of the party and get the nomination.


That is probably true, but by the same token, if he now tries to move back more towards the center what happens to the actual votes of those ubers that he had to bend to to be nominated? Alienating that base, which no Republican can afford to do now, by trying to lure in the independents, will not win, and only reinforces the view that he flip flops so much it is a crapshoot as to what he really thinks and intends to do. Other than screwing the middle class of course.







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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:41:47 PM
I'll agree that Romney was an effective debater -- kind of like an attorney who is representing his clients even if he thinks they are as guilty as hell. He is speaking from the middle of the bubble that surrounds any candidate. It's up to us to see through that bubble.

For instance, Romney argued that his tax plan would be revenue neutral because he would be broadening the base ( ie. make that 47% pay tax ) and removing loopholes -- charitable donations maybe. He said he had five economic plans that said he wouldn't have to raise taxes on anyone in order to cut the rates 20%. He didn't tell us that those five economists were hired by his campaign to write the reports. Very funny. Each of those economists thinks he is a perfect fit for Secretary of theTreasury. Do you really think they are going to tell them anything to upset that applecart.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:15:46 PM
Who knows? He's like watching a freaking tennis match.

ETA: I know you directed this at Republicans, but I couldn't help myself.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:17:54 PM

Who knows? He's like watching a freaking tennis match.

ETA: I know you directed this at Republicans, but I couldn't help myself.


That's because you're a closet Romney lover....

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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:19:57 PM

Who knows? He's like watching a freaking tennis match.

ETA: I know you directed this at Republicans, but I couldn't help myself.



That's because you're a closet Romney lover...


That's why I call him "Mittens"....it's an endearment.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:25:24 PM
There is at least one that thinks Romney has moved to the left. Go to this Link on Stephen Colbert and view the video titled "Mitts Socialist Rhetoric & Body Language". Saw it on tv this morning. So funny.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:26:13 PM

That's why I call him "Mittens"....it's an endearment.


That's what I thought... I can see it now you and your Mitt Romney Blow up doll cuddling on the couch on a cold Iowa night.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:31:51 PM

That's what I thought... I can see it now you and your Mitt Romney Blow up doll cuddling on the couch on a cold Iowa night.





He's gonna have to share the couch with my blow up Bill Clinton doll....when I want a little conservative something something, Mittens can come out and play..if I want a little liberal something something....out comes Bubba.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:33:01 PM
He hasn't moved anywhere. However if your only source of information on romneys positions has been Obama's sound bites and The Daily Show, I can see how you would think so.
To anyone who has been seeking information from other sources, it's obvious that he had been consistently middle of the road on most things. Does it thrill me? No. But I will take center right over radical off-the cliff left any day of the week.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:46:27 PM

He's gonna have to share the couch with my blow up Bill Clinton doll....when I want a little conservative something something, Mittens can come out and play..if I want a little liberal something something....out comes Bubba.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:50:12 PM
I don't think hes ever been very conservative, honestly.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:58:38 PM
I have never found him to be far right either, so I didn't hear anything shocking. I do know that many of my more conservative friends (and I consider myself pretty conservative, so those would be the ones that you would probably consider extreme) have NEVER considered him to be conservative enough, but know that he is far preferably to the President.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:59:34 PM
I still find it very interesting that left-leaning people think fiscal conservatism is "the center."


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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:27:50 PM
He had always been more in the middle, that's why many Republicians didn't vote for him in the primaries, they wanted someone more conservative. But I agree you would not have known that by watching the MSM. I wish the media would just do their job and report the news without their bias

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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:28:01 PM

However if your only source of information on romneys positions has been Obama's sound bites and The Daily Show, I can see how you would think so.
The biggest annoyance to me this election is how people think I make my choices based on what I'm fed. That's not the case.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:39:14 PM
No, I don't.

I think the liberal media has portrayed him as a rich guy who doesn't care about his Country. A lot of people closed their minds to him as a candidate early in the process.

I think the first debate was the first time people really listened to more than a edited sound bite.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:42:54 PM
I hate the crap on both sides, you read multiple sources and they all say something different, how is someone supposed to make an informed decision. The debates are one of the few times where you see just what the candidates are really saying. Everyone wants the country to get better we just have different ways to get there and it would be so nice to be able to just get the facts without mega research.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:59:15 PM

I hate the crap on both sides, you read multiple sources and they all say something different, how is someone supposed to make an informed decision. The debates are one of the few times where you see just what the candidates are really saying. Everyone wants the country to get better we just have different ways to get there and it would be so nice to be able to just get the facts without mega research




This is how I feel. I hate how we are so divided. It saddens me.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:06:49 PM
No.

I think his "move to the center" is just the flip-flop du jour.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:23:02 PM
This is an excellent interview by Soledad O'Brien with congressman (R) Phil Gingrey about the 47% apology and Romney's coming to the center for the debate. Amazing how he just admitted he came to the center to appeal to the general electorate to grab the undecided independents.

Linky to the video interview at the bottom of the page


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:35:48 PM
I guess it's hard for liberals to understand, but most conservatives never thought Romney was far right, he's always been more to the center.

I love all the flip flop references too. BO ran last time as a centerist, but he is definitely far left, which would make him a flip flopper as well, although I'm sure you don't see it that way.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:38:06 PM

The biggest annoyance to me this election is how people think I make my choices based on what I'm fed. That's not the case.


It may not be that way in your case, but you have to be pretty naive if you think that the majority of the public is well informed and listening to more than sound-bites and fanatical pundits.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:51:44 PM

BO ran last time as a centerist, but he is definitely far left, which would make him a flip flopper as well, although I'm sure you don't see it that way.


I'M FAR LEFT and trust me, this President is anything but far left. You may want to go talk with some of your very liberal friends and see what they think. What I think is that most conservatives think that if you move slightly left of center, you're a freaking socialist. So not the case.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:54:31 PM

I'M FAR LEFT and trust me, this President is anything but far left. You may want to go talk with some of your very liberal friends and see what they think. What I think is that most conservatives think that if you move slightly left of center, you're a freaking socialist. So not the case.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:01:05 PM

I could have easily written this!


I knew I liked you Carol. Great minds think alike.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:16:03 PM

Amazing how he just admitted he came to the center to appeal to the general electorate to grab the undecided independents.

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Yes, but the good thing is that his etch a sketch is frozen in that position now. Romney Ryan are cornered.

Obmama and his surrogates only job now is to keep reminding the electorate about the earlier versions. In the upcoming debates I fully expect them to hammer on the inherent conflicts between the pre-debate and debate versions of Ronmey Ryan policy, i.e., lies.

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I fully expect them to hammer on the inherent conflicts between the pre-debate and debate versions of Ronmey Ryan policy, i.e., lies.


You fully expect the campaign to keep lying to the American people? What a bizarre philosophy - it was fun watching CNN nail Stephanie Cutter today when she tried to yet again trot out the $5 trillion lie - she was actually forced to admit that it ISN'T a $5 trillion tax hike. But of course the campaign will keep the line in Obama's speech because the crowds will cheer instead of asking the obvious question of why he keeps lying to them.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:34:51 PM
Obama is not far left at all.


The biggest annoyance to me this election is how people think I make my choices based on what I'm fed. That's not the case.


Only Conservatives are open-minded, read multiple sources and draw educated conclusions. The liberals are sheep.


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You fully expect the campaign to keep lying to the American people? What a bizarre philosophy - it was fun watching CNN nail Stephanie Cutter today when she tried to yet again trot out the $5 trillion lie - she was actually forced to admit that it ISN'T a $5 trillion tax hike. But of course the campaign will keep the line in Obama's speech because the crowds will cheer instead of asking the obvious question of why he keeps lying to them.


I'm thinking Romney needs have the same obvious question asked of him as well.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:04:52 PM

I think the liberal media has portrayed him as a rich guy who doesn't care about his Country. A lot of people closed their minds to him as a candidate early in the process.



The liberal media didn't FEED me that. Romney's words and actions did. I'm pretty smart and figured it out on my own thank you very much!



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The liberal media didn't FEED me that. Romney's words and actions did. I'm pretty smart and figured it out on my own thank you very much!


I agree. I read and listen to the candidates and what they say. I've been doing this for 45 years. Pretty capable of discerning what people say time after time, then when they deny it or change it...to be able to tell if they are telling the truth (flip-flopping).


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You fully expect the campaign to keep lying to the American people? What a bizarre philosophy - it was fun watching CNN nail Stephanie Cutter today when she tried to yet again trot out the $5 trillion lie - she was actually forced to admit that it ISN'T a $5 trillion tax hike. But of course the campaign will keep the line in Obama's speech because the crowds will cheer instead of asking the obvious question of why he keeps lying to them.


I'm thinking Romney needs have the same obvious question asked of him as well.


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BO ran last time as a centerist, but he is definitely far left, which would make him a flip flopper as well, although I'm sure you don't see it that way.




I'M FAR LEFT and trust me, this President is anything but far left. You may want to go talk with some of your very liberal friends and see what they think. What I think is that most conservatives think that if you move slightly left of center, you're a freaking socialist. So not the case.



Exactly! I didn't vote for Obama the first time because he IS TOO CENTRIST and he made the same statement that Romney made during one of his debate diatribes, "I will meet with "the other side"..." after I am elected."

I found that to be a major mistake that has come back to haunt him again and again with his interactions with House Republicans and alienated the core base Democrats who wanted a POTUS that worked with them to fix the mess left from the previous 8 years which then turned off their voting base and lead to the increase of said Republicans.

And the other thing that just angers me the most about Obama and his administration is the automatic "dump" of their own when something happens aka Shirley Sherrod and the Breitbart video. It makes Obama look weak and weasel when they pull that crap and why the BS about Fast and Furious has gotten traction.

Anyway, this is what I told a Facebook friend about why I was voting for Obama this time:


I'm voting for the lesser of 2 evils. I voted for Ralph Nader the last election because I did not like Obama-- he's still dismal but considering what he has dealt with in both parties I think he has guts and deserves another term-- and McCain LOST my vote when he allowed Palin to "go rogue" with her Teabagging nutter speak and I would have kicked that crazy bitch to the curb when it came out about her abstinence only taught teenage daughter was pregnant and unmarried after talking about her fabulous parenting skills (I've seen better in a Cuckoo Bird -- you know they lay their eggs in other bird's nest.) In the cycle before I was Gore in 2000 because I think he would have been the better POTUS versus our Gov. George W. Bush who I came to see as the most hypocritical "Krit-shun" with the number of people he allowed to be executed while patting himself on the back as the super Christian. In the next election the Democrats ran Kerry and he was at least less objectionable than the War Mongering Bush and Cheney.
Anyway, I feel that I would rather have 4 more years of "the same" because I truly do care for the people of this country and when you have someone that is so out of touch with the "47%" that he automatically writes ME, You, the people on Facebook, the people that fight for this country, the people that work 2 or 3 or even 4 part-time jobs to keep a roof over their children's head and food in their bellies, and the little old Republican retirees on a fixed budget off, then our COLLECTIVE votes, our rights as citizens and just our mere existence does not matter to him.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:18:52 PM

You fully expect the campaign to keep lying to the American people? What a bizarre philosophy



Oh the irony.



I think my idea of a bizarre philosophy is to be so out of touch with the 21st century that you still believe you can speak disdainfully about the 47% in "quiet rooms" to your wealthy donors and to expect it will go no further.

Not only bizarre, but seriously lacking in common sense and good judgement.

Krazyscrapper
StuckOnPeas

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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:23:59 PM
I think Romney had to go more right then he wanted to just so he could be the Republican nominee.

AthenainCA
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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:40:59 PM

Like I said, it doesn't matter my state will go Obama, this election is for me to voice my concern over the path of the republican party.

So you won't bother to watch the Republican party's nominee in his own words?

I find that so odd.



Gennifer
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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:31:48 PM

It may not be that way in your case, but you have to be pretty naive if you think that the majority of the public is well informed and listening to more than sound-bites and fanatical pundits.
Maybe so, but then that would apply to people from both parties, yeah? So why fling it at people, like you (global, of course) are the ONLY one who has possibly researched enough to know what's going on?



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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:39:29 PM

And that said, my vote doesn't matter as I live in Illinois and Illinois will go to Obama.


Yep, except Utah will go to Romney.





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